Help! Do you think I’ll be cleared TS/SCI Army bc of 2nd PRSI Interview?


#1

What are my chances of being cleared? My TS/SSBI investigation was at DoDCAF, but now it is back in investigation again! Can anyone lend any advice or prognosticate/forecast what could happen to me? Perhaps will I be SOR-ed? I am a former army officer, honorable service in Iraq Afghanistan, great student and Patriot with no drugs booz or criminal run-ins…after college in NYC I transitioned I am trying to return to the Army Reserve in DC as an Intel Officer, once again.

Summary—19 months or 570 days of SSBI investigation time:

  1. SSBI opened 3 January 2017.
  2. (Congressmen expedited my clearance Feb 2018)
  3. First PRSI Interview: 16 March 2018.
  4. (Afterwards, I was told that I was in Adjudication but at an unknown time)
  5. 2nd PRSI Interview: last Thursday 19 July 2018.

2nd Interview discussion points are below:

Intro: my Investigator from OPM NBIB received my returned investigations info from DoDCAF last week. He said that my clearance was kicked back to him by DoDCAF Adjudicators because I had foreign born parents but did not list foreigner relatives. I was very forward saying I have no relationship with them and I cut them out of my life since Aug 2012 onward.

DodCAF initial concerns were: why I failed to report my step father’s Egypt-based family! I have naturalized parents who were both foreign born. No dual citizens.

I said to the Investigator on the 2nd interview that I visited 2 of my step dad’s nephews (for 1 day in Aug 2012 as I was passing by Egypt while on R&R on a Dod Contract in the Gulf). I did indeed report on the SF-86 that I was in Egypt that day and that my step dad was foreign born (now a nat US citizen) BUT I did not originally cover the fact that I met 2 foreigners who were step cousins by my mom’s marriage. I gave the Investigator their name and age and that was it. He said I needed to be more transparent. I mentioned all this first, he already knew this, but he wanted to see what I would say. I was as forward and transparent as possible as memory allowed me. Then these came up by me:

-I first reported in this 2nd interview that I forgot to put down on SF-86: 2 step family relatives in Egypt 2012 (was 1 day of contact only). I also confirmed to the investigator that the Filipino cousins aunts and uncles in my family in Philippines (0 contact) FOREIGNERS

-BI found out, but I confirmed first, after BI asked me if I knew anymore foreign or dual citizens: I only knew a few FOREIGNers in DC — 1 Palestinian and 1 Qatari (foreign nationals—open and continuous) for 1 year in DC 6 months in 2011. I honestly forgot to write them down in the SF-86. I told the investigator in the second interview that it was an honest mistake, forgot to memorialize it and that I was not trying to hide anything. The nature of us know each other then was that I would attend ramadan dinners and these 2 people were always present then. I did not know them.

-BI found out, but I confirmed first, after BI asked me if I knew anymore foreign or dual citizens: I had a graduate school student acquaintance in class for 1 semester in 2014. After graduation we had 3-4 total contact events ONLY in 2016. This guy I knew was FOREIGN Born (I had no idea he was DUAL Citizen because he told me early on he was an American naturalized citizen and that he even voted in our US elections).

-BI asked me if I knew anymore foreign or dual citizens: so I said I knew a family of 5 (for 2 years 2011-2014 off and on) and I dated their daughter for 6 months 2014…they were all dual citizens (open and continuous from Summer2013 to NLT Jan2014) they were FOREIGN Born (but I had no idea they were DUAL Citizen because they told me then that they were American Citizens!)

-BI asked me if I knew anymore foreign or dual citizens: I was released/fired (failed to mention this on my SF-86) from AFOSI due to detachment CDR finding out I didn’t get along with coworkers and that I was accepted to NYU; I also mentioned my grandma got cancer cancer and it affected me at home in CONUS)

II.)

-BI asked me if I knew anything else about a bad work experience/times I had working with people on a DoD contract, during our 2nd personal interview: Well, then I replied immediately that I worked with people who did not get along with me from June to Oct 2012 OCONUS deployed. Issue: I was verbally reprimanded for mishandling a single page of SECRET related info (was a minor but verbal warning by my boss at DoD). I was sleepy one night and failed to lock the page in the vault by passcode in the office. I entered the wrong code but closed the door, only. Vault door was unlocked. I failed to write this on the SF-86 and failed to mention this on the 1st interview back in March 2018 because I thought it was not official. I finally covered down on this after the BI was jogging my memory but saying nothing other than bad contract experience I had overseas with DoD members who did not like me for being Muslim and my emailed opinion on Arab Spring and how we can be happy that corrupt arab leaders fell which was amenable to US interests).

The END.

Any thoughts by any investigators or others???


#2

It is going to be up to Adjudication.


#3

Thanks - anything further you think?


#4

The problem seems to be the number of things that you “forgot”. The intel community, justifiably, is concerned about even one day meetings in countries like Egypt and with casual contacts in a city like D.C.

If you were going DoD, I would say that you can get cleared but it might require a hearing. Going into intel, you have a harder time. It may come down to how much they need your talents.


#5

It seems you had to amend your answers on several occasions. That is rarely a good thing. The big picture they may be seeing is…was it deliberate? Maybe not. But you gave them a common thread to follow, not in your best interest. As Ed said above the seriousness depends on how bad they need your services. This will likely take longer than others and may require further discussion with the investigator or even a Poly. Good luck, and keep us informed.


#6

Thank you for your feedback Sir. Yeah in Egypt I was visiting American friends’ wedding and visited step dad’s fam just to say hi. That was 1 day 2012 summer a long time ago and I also told the BI that I do not communicate with them anymore and haven’t since then. Knowing them is not in my best interest. I was forward honest and quick to reply during that second interview. I am an unquestionably loyal American ready for the army reserve in intelligence. Finance work in nyc is killing me and I need to serve again. It’s persoanlly my beat work and satisfying deep inside.

Should I have a lawyer if I am summoned for a hearing?


#7

Thanks for this. Yeah I’m not one to deceive I’m just trying to remember all the people that come into my life and I never meant to be dishonest this sucks. All these ppl I listed are long time ago too. I wonder how bad they need Army intel ppl in the Reserve?? Agains ibappreciate your help/feedback


#8

Im sad I should have just spent more time thinking it through and really writing down all the people I ever met but then i think about it again and I do not think I would have been able to write down everyone I ever met and know whether or not they were dual citizen or totally American - I ran into all kinds of people in DC and NYC and I never meant to deliberately fool anyone . I served my country and want to do so way into my old age


#9

The standard as I understand it: “real, known, and continuing.” If you meet a person who appears Armenian you have no obligation to suss out if they are American, naturalized, green card or non legal. Or dual citizen. Once the relationship becomes a friendship…such as regularly barbecuing, going out for movies, playing football, whatever…that is when it should be reported. But simply knowing an Hispanic man named Juan…doesn’t mean they are not American. You have no responsibility to ask them either. However as relationships develop over time if it becomes known to you, then you would report it. I think the issue here is that they developed an understanding you were aware of numerous foreign nationals. And they had to repeatedly ask if there were still more. And you remembered more, etc. I don’t think this is an issue of you knowing foreign born people, but the appearance you tried to not reveal that information. They need determine if that was intentional or not. If one lives in a very diverse, multi-cultural environment, and constantly come across people of all nations…there will be a lot of contact. The vast majority are casual and not reportable. If you suddenly recall more you did not report…they now question the motive of not remembering.


#10

got it. THANKYOU for clarifying/understanding. I wonder how long this will take now to investigate then adjudicate…90 days or more perhaps? HE said that if they shoot back with more questions it will be not in our/my favor.The BI guy at OPM said now it is with investigations and he is writing up our 2nd interview discussions points. It was in adjudication…


#11

I just dont have any motive to deceive or hide anything. I’m an open book and just want to help in any way possible. This is so frustrating because I am a good decent person and up front about everything. I hate the private sector it is so fake and boring too


#12

One of the tripping points I had was "continuing’…what does that mean? If I haven’t spoken to the person in 2+ years is that continuing? Most of the people I work with were under the notion that Facebook contact didn’t count and we only needed to let someone know when/if we started dating a foreign national.


#13

Dating clearly isn’t a requirement needed to make a contact reportable. “Continuing” isn’t a complicated term. Do or did you have regular contact? For someone from two years ago, the question is, did you have regular contact two years ago?

If you were out drinking every weekend with a Russian national, up until two years ago, you need to report it even if you stopped.


#14

It was via Facebook only and sporadically at that. Understand now that it needs to be reported but the SF-86 isn’t completely clear on that.


#15

You have to understand something of what they are looking for . . . Do they care if you sat in the same room with a foreign national? Clearly not . . . If they did, every time you went to dinner or a movie, they would want to know who served you and who you sat near.

No, they are interested in who may have influenced you in the past or may in the future. Can you be convinced to turn against the U.S. by a girlfriend? Sure, it happens all of the time. Can it happen with a pen pal? Yes, again. Can it happen on Facebook? I think that is pretty self explanatory.


#16

I understand being friends on Facebook and casually liking/responding to posts being considered as continuing contact. Though I was always confused by the “In the past 7 years, DID you have continuing contact… etc.” I met with my investigator yesterday and explained I used to be in group with a foreign exchange student in school over a year ago, to which the investigator told me I did not have to report this unless the contact was ongoing. Out of all the questions on the form, I think this one maybe could be reworded for clarity.


#17

I would say that the wording of the question hasn’t caught up to the number of foreign students in our colleges or to social media.


#18

True statement about social media. I always took contact to mean face-to-face contact. When in doubt, report.


#19

In my situation (very first post at the top)…I cleared up and gave my story truthfully and holistically to the best of my ability. I think my security clearance determination is going to be delayed but if I get denied how could that be possible as I have no foreign influences, personal conduct problems

I can not possibly understand how one could get denied if I came clean in this second interview?!


#20

You were confronted with the information. Generally, that’s bad.