If I forgot something on my initial sf86 will the SSO report to my commander and get me kicked out? This is for minor drug use, as well as giving away weed. Not sure what to do in this situation. I was very scared throughout the situation and listened to my recruiter.
I am also not sure if I am even technichally allowed to join the military since I gave away weed? Thanks!
How long was the drug use prior to your SF86 being filled out? And when you say minor, can you elaborate further?
That being said, if you mentioned something to your SSO that wasn’t on your SF-86 then they could report it to your CC if they determine your clearance is in jeopardy. Technically, you did fraudulently enlist because you failed to disclose this. However, they do understand about recruiters and will take that into account. CC’s (O-6 and above type) can sign a waiver of fraudulent enlistment if it does come to that. What did your SSO say to you when you disclosed the drug use?
Keys are: How old were you at the time and how long ago was the behaviour? Honestly, I can’t say if there’s a difference between “giving” and “selling” so I’m not commenting on that issue.
Yep, they understand recruiters. They know that THEIR job is to get you to sign the enlistment papers.
I am 24 about to turn 25 I was 21 when it happened.
If my clearance is not in jeopardy can I still get kicked out? My recruiter did not let me originally amend my sf86!
1x cocaine use 3/4 years prior to filling out sf86!
I had my clearance interview months ago for a secret and I admitted to this.
Now I am up for a T/S very soon and am nervous about this!
Wait . . . Your original post says that you gave away some weed. Your latest post talks about “one time cocaine use” . . . You’re tumbling down a path that we can’t advice you on.
T/S seems unlikely. But, that’s just my opinion.
Even if the use and giving away was years ago? Aren’t secret and TS adjudicated the same?
Since you were giving a weed, it was easy to assume that the minor drug WAS weed. So, you were smoking and giving some away. Then we add the coke.
I assume that none of this was revealed in prior investigations. Any of this could have likely been cleared up in your first investigation. Then you might have to explain it again in your current investigation but it could be put aside again.
You’ve set yourself up. The best advice I can give is to come COMPLETELY clean now. Take a little time to think of anything else that you might need to get on the table. It very well may mean a denial but you can fight that when the time comes. You will have the chance to show that you have changed your life to the point that you are not a risk.
Remember, that’s the standard: That allowing you access to classified information IS a risk to national security. You need to be prepared to show that you are NOT a risk to national security. You have an active part to play in this process and you need to get on top of that.
Have you read the Adjudicative Guidelines? Every reason for a denial includes a list of mitigating factors. “Unlikely to occur again” is a mitigating factor for most things. Go through the guidelines and the mitigating factors and figure out what applies to you. Write it up. If you’re not a good writer, get some help organizing your response.
The easiest thing for them to do is deny you and hope that you go away. Don’t let that happen.
I did not explain this well I suppose.
My recruiter did not let me edit my sf86 so this was left off. I was lucky enough to be able to meet with an investigator for my secret which I now have. In this meeting I told him everything. Even things he said that did not matter.
I am more concerned with a SSO seeing this on my next form and reporting me in some way. I am not super nervous about the clearance because I was 100% honest in everything. Sorry for being so unclear seems like we were on different pages @EdFarmerIII. Thank you for your replies.
I think the giving away weed portion is not as big of a deal as the cocaine usage. Since technically everything was reported during your secret interview then they could have updated your file. I don’t know if your SSO would report you if everything was reported before, but if they ask you about it then explain the situation. Ultimately your commander would be the one to process that separation, so it is completely different from security. Just be open and honest if asked, but I wouldn’t be discussing this with people around you.
I mean I told the investigator so I am assuming it is in my file… What are the odds I get booted for this? Have you seen anything similar? I don’t even know if SSOs care about this stuff or if you just get the clearance?
No they are not adjudicated the same.
It doesn’t matter what was forgot or dealt with the recruiter. You’ve obviously already have a clearance, then important thing is to TELL the TRUTH and ALSO, do not answer anything you do not have too. The equip is getting more in depth. If you mentioned it on your last equip then you are fine just make sure you stick to the same story (truth). The whole point of an investigation is your integrity and to make sure there’s nothing in your past that can be used against you or the government. You can’t get in trouble for your past if you do not lie about it now and have a good track record the last xx years. You can lose your clearance if you intentionally lie on paperwork. Even if you lost your clearance and couldn’t do your job…the military can still re rate you. But you can also get in trouble for falsifying govt documents if you intentionally lied to enlist…but again this is rare and has to be black and white. Talk to someone in confidence like call DCSA or look up the regs. If you blame your recruiter that’s one thing but if you admitted it when asked I don’t see why they would give you a hard time being honest.
I have heard it happen, but this dude was found out while he was still in basic training. By your post, I assume you are well past this. They guy I talked to hid meth usage, so I don’t really know otherwise. Just don’t bring that up to anyone but investigators if they ask and tell the truth.
I guess I did technichaly lie on enlistment paperwork to be fair. I did come clean though and I know many many who lied about both medical things and drug use! I just hope I don’t get booted for coming clean!
Yes I have not touched anything in a long time. And I was 100% honest and up front with the investigator. My true fear is just getting kicked out like I said before. This is is something I want to continue to do as I find a lot of joy in it. I just want to be able to serve. I know I messed up. I am just nervous about my next SF86 and my answers being used to kick me out!
Your next SF86 won’t have any more influence than your current one as it should be noted by the investigator about what happened. If you get asked any questions about it then just tell them the truth. More than likely it won’t come back to bite you like that since you are being honest, but if for whatever reason they deny you a TS//SCI you would either have to go to a new career field or would be separated. I have seen that happen for people who were denied a clearance for whatever reason.
Why were people denied clearances?