Hello,
I got LOJ (Loss of Jurisdiction) in my clearance record after I left my current job for 3 days. I would assume my clearance status should be inactive since I don’t have any sponsor any more. But I am still eligible for access once another company takes my clearance over. Could somebody tell me what happened here?
I would say that the security manager at your previous job promptly updated your record in whatever the database of record is called these days… that doesn’t always happen.
The official line is that you can easily be ‘cleared’ again within two years.
"in whatever the database of record is called these days… " —> do you “DISS” database here?
The security manager simply removed the company’s sponsorship when I left the job. So, I don’t have any sponsorship anymore. I couldn’t understand what you mean by saying: “promptly updated your record in whatever the database of record is called these days… that doesn’t always happen”. When somebody leaves the job, the sponsorship disappears for everybody. Can you explain your statement further as of “that doesn’t always happen”?
What @sbusquirrel means (and he’s 100% correct) is that you don’t actually go inactive until the database of record (DISS, EPAS, JPAS, whichever) has been updated with your departure. Sometimes they update it immediately, sometimes it takes them months. It completely depends on the Security Manager.
There’s lots of posts on here about nightmares people go through because the database hasn’t been updated yet so they can’t get their clearance transferred/picked up by another sponsor.
Things get overlooked, it happens. For example, I left a cleared job in December 2000. I was trying to get back into a cleared position in late 2002 and found out they never closed my non-SCI clearance. I got debriefed from SCI but they never updated JPAS (or whatever it was called back then). Maybe they have tightened things up since then.
I thought I saw somewhere that it was already getting a new name. As I recall JPAS actually had two pieces to it. One of them (or both?) became DISS but I think there’s an entirely new system now? Or soon will be?
Actually, this is my confusion as well. When I left my previous company before this one, I got debriefed at my exit. However, for this one, they didn’t debrief me. Instead, I got a “LOJ” in just three day. I left the company after I told them that I resigned. Then, at the same day, I got an email from a DoD source which said that I lost my sponsorship for my clearance.
Yes, they can do an “admin” debrief where the person is not there to sign it. They much prefer to do it in person to get your signature all over the forms.
In DISS LOJ almost always occurs because there was an adjudicative action pending at the time sponsorship terminated. The most common situations are where people have an interim and are waiting on a final clearance; an incident report was recently submitted; they’re in the middle of upgrading from a Secret to a Top Secret; or they just submitted a new SF86 on the 5-year anniversary of their last investigation or CE enrollment date. There is no eligibility (clearance) status of “inactive” in DISS. You’re either eligible for access or not.
Actually, I talked to a FSO yesterday, and was told “debrief” doesn’t always happen even though the company is required to do so.
Can you explain more about this admin debrief? Is this something related to this “promptly updated your record in whatever the database of record is called these days… that doesn’t always happen”?
All I know is that in cases where the individual is unavailable they can debrief you in your absence. This may happen when people are laid off and the company wants them out of the building quickly, or if a person just quits and does not do any outprocessing.
I did hear a story a few years back about security inspectors wanting a contractor to go back and get people to sign debriefing forms after they left the company, so maybe they are cracking down on this.