HR keeps saying actively processing but I can’t quit tell what exactly is being actively processing because neither BI, poly nor med has started. there is nothing that is being worked. it is direct hire IC but with investigators keep saying that their work is drying out, this kind of wait doesn’t make sense.
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Someone isn’t following up with clearance division and is one of my prime gripes on this forum. The divide between HR and FSO. A trained FSO or Security Manager knows when they are being fed smoke and mirrors. HR…knows…HR. The FSO should rattle the clearance folks regularly. For quite some time 2 months to initiate almost to the day, verifiable in client system. I had access so I knew. And if they lied, I knew. This past 18 months I watched them stretch initiation out to 8 and 10 months but still try claiming they were initiated.
Is this fed civ or contractor slot?
it is a fed civ position and I have no way of contacting anyone in the security office. Is initiation basically assigning the case to an investigator?
Essentially when logged into clearance database as “initiated” that means it is alive and moving. At 33 months they can access through HQ clearance division why it isnt opened yet. When I could not get answers I would go through the GS14 government security office to enquire. We were contract and had to place bodies in seats. At 33 months a contract would take award fee penalties. There is no good reason for initiation to take this long. Period. Someone need shake the tree and find out if it fell behind a desk. Not that they admit that
Its actually a step prior. It means you are turned on with a start date. It still takes a bit of time to matriculate to actual investigator.
is there a time limit on a case being in pre-investigation phase?
They have internal timeline goals but they will never be released. As it stands you are not initiated and after 33 months that means your package is stuck somewhere. At one point they changed their language on the phone and would insist a person was “initiated.” But if they do not show as “open” in their system…you are in some purgatory limbo. At times they would say “awaiting finding.” Just another way to blow smoke and not move. In your case I would highly recommend contacting your representative. Once they are assigned to an investigator they jump on it. Period. You are billable hours and labor to an investigator. That is incentive to get moving. But if the government has not yet handed it to one…only their internal timelines are at stake. Your signature pages aren’t even going to remain valid. I’ve had a few where they tried blaming me and said “how come signature pages are out of date?” I would bluntly tell them “because you sat on it from X date and I have the read receipt for scanning and email acknowledging you have it.” That bluntness saved my butt many times. It did not win me friends in clearance but I knew they rotated frequently and paybacks were minor for 6 odd months. You can only push so many times before they view you as a pest and stop responding, or they send negative vibes to your government security lead at the GS 15 level. So one need walk a fine line of pushing, fade back, push again, fade back. I would always engage after 60 days, again at the 120 day (4 month), and 6 month, then 8 and 10 month marks. I would keep my Government security lead apprised as well and they would engage at the 6 month mark. Even they knew when to ease back and pause. Honestly I am sure they have many competing priorities there and I respect that. But we all need a job and we all need cleared to work and positions need filled. If something isn’t moving…why?
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thanks buddy. You are the best.
Just this week I had a Subject tried to scold me about waiting for six months. Then I pointed out that the case was not initiated until July 20.
My guess is the requesting agency didn’t fund the background investigation until July.
I have seen this often over the decades. Documents signed over a year ago with the initiation date only a few weeks old.
FWIW, any case scheduled (initiated) more than year old is always a high priority in the DCSA world. I don’t know how it works with the minor ISPs.
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Fought it 9 years. Very common. Then I get angry call “why are signatures out of date?” Me: because you failed to initiate the BI in 12 months…?
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@Amberbunny2 - is Unresolved the same as Inconclusive? And have you seen people with an unresolved poly still get adjudicated?
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When I took my polygraph, I was told that “she was picking up something” in one section but would still recommend me to the HQ and let them decide if they want me to come back and do it again. They never called me again and I was successfully adjudicated.
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You know I’ve heard something like that from a couple other folks… wonder if it is some new part of the schtick.
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Somebody is having way too much fun screwing around.
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Not sure I understand the meaning of this.
Was this recently? I thought I saw in one of your other posts that your FSO said that polys are delayed quite a bit.
@Dima - did they say you were unresolved? I was told my CI portion of the poly was fine but that I was hitting on the Foreign National section. I’m married to a FN (5eye country) and have been in-country for 15 years working in joint-defense for my whole career…not sure what they expect from me haha
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@M_B89. No, this was a few years ago, I didn’t actually get the clearance. Long story. I am being processed by a contractor now and am waiting for a poly to be scheduled since beginning of April, when my BI was completed
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@gwoz81. I don’t think she said “unresolved”, I guess it wasn’t perfect either but not bad enough for them to call me for the second time.
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I HAVE seen it. Those took upwards of 3 years. Now, the question is…was it unresolved by technical measurements or was the Polygrapher just sweating the applicant? I tent to believe and trust what polygraphers tell me as much as Timeshare salesmen. A nugget of truth…stretched to cover whatever angle they choose to pursue.
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Variations on a theme. Just because you show technical stress when asked your name…are you telling a lie? They need parse through and pulse you to see if you demonstrate stressors in broad topics. Then they circle in and go deeper, deeper. If stress continues to rise around …say drug use…then they start getting direct. But just getting stressed…its the baseline. You will be stressed. After a few hours of being accused of not telling the whole story, eye rolling…it tends to wear a guy/gal out.