Your over broad, general sweeping, statement said AIr Force with a quick mention of the Air Guard. One is active duty, the other is part of a state military force.
As for the guardsmen, they served and met the requirements -they appear to be smarter than most.
You vets are too sensitive. Iâm just stating what people that have received preference have told me. Even traditional guardsman with the Air National Guard have received preference without 180 days consecutive service on a deployment.
Not sensitive at all. Just providing federal guidelines to the discussion.
The Armed Forces are all volunteer force. Anyone who is qualified has the opportunity serve and receive the Veterans Preference that some on here, feel some donât deserve and has hindered them from getting a job they âdeserveâ.
Thanks for the link. If shed some light on things.
In order to get the full veterans preference, you have to have a disability rating. Also, people who stay stateside can be considered deployed in place.
You have absolutely know idea what you are talking about.
DCSA, unlike NBIB has direct hire authority, veteran preference, former fed preference may no longer apply.
Duetooversight,
I think you overestimate just how much the vet preference matters in fed hiring. But that said my old libertarian self agrees with you in principle.
This vet preference issue alone is why we need compulsory military service. Vet preference is another government program which was started for good reasons but expanded to be just another govât entitlement.
Veteransâ preference was created to help soldiers in the Civil War who lost limbs or eyes or crippled in battle. Like all government programs it expanded into the Veteransâ Preference Act of 1944 to include soldiers who faced the ravages of war (think Guadalcanal & Anzio). But like all government programs it has expanded big time and in doing so created an ever-expanding segment of the population which feels more and more entitled.
Like some of the guys here giving you crap. In conflating all military service I wonder if they realize just how disrespect they are being to those who really, truly suffered mental and physical wounds from war and who the veteransâ preference was created to help.
Go Nats!
And who are you to judge a veteran? You have no idea what someone went through. They could look perfectly healthy and have mental issues from being in combat, or a field hospital or a morgue worker. They could have physical injuries that you canât see. You have no idea what anyone has went through. Do some people feel entitled? Yes, I am sure they do. Just like Duetooversight does when they think they should get a fed job.
I donât feel entitled to receive a federal job but I do feel like a contract investigator should be more considered than a veteran who has no experience whatsoever in federal BIâs. I think the federal hiring process is extremely flawed and caters way too much to veterans, current and prior federal employees, and those with disabilities instead of hiring the most qualified.
Sir, thank you for your service. And I do know, intimately well, both the physical and mental scars of war. But we were just talking about preference in employment hiring and I am sympathetic to the meritocratic view voiced by Duetooversight. Meritocracy is our most fundamental American value and it is often synonymous with the âAmerican Dreamâ.
That said I am also sympathetic to those men and women who made a sacrifice for our country. And if in doing so they suffered a physical or mental cost then I believe it is not only right but imperative that our government see to it that they get a hand up. I think the veteransâ preference we have in place currently is seriously flawed but better than nothing.
Go Nats!
Why do you guys even want to stay in this line of work? Iâm about 6 years into the BI world and Iâm super eager to leave the cleared world entirely. Hell I donât even mind taking a pay cut to do it.
To become qualified in this job, all it takes is for a person to go through a three week online course and one week in person class. Not saying a monkey can do this job, but it definitely doesnât require being a rocket scientist to perform these duties well.
It takes a few weeks to be initially trained, but at least a year to be good at it and years to be an expert. If you think that someone knows what theyâre doing after 1 month, then quality is a serious concern. While many people can be trained to do this job, this industry needs to learn to retain qualified professionals and stop with the hiring of just anyone off the street and over staffing.
That is entirely untrue. It takes years to become an actual good Investigator that knows policy and procedure and can conduct a through and high quality BI. Your comment is disingenuous to those that hone their craft and are serious about this job.
Because some of us have been down this road for so long that to reinvent our careers after 10+ years in the industry would be a major setback and incredibly difficult. Itâs not as if everyone is beating down my door to hire me as a BI or I would have left years ago. This is a unique niche and skill set. Once youâve been down this road for as long as some of us had, we are almost un-hireable elsewhere for the pay we are earning.
So you are right, it takes a major pay cut and a huge detour from this path to do something else. I wish you the best in finding something better.
This is what I fear the most. I really didnât plan on staying in this line of work more than 1-2 years tops, and I feel Iâve already lingered too long, and now with all of the chaos of DCSA, it seems like a really good time to learn some new skills and jump ship out of this industry entirely.
I wish everyone who stays the best of luck, I truly do, but a pay cut into a more stable field that doesnât require a clearance is the path for me.
Please show me the guidelines that show my statement is incorrect. I provided the fed guidelines on whatâs required to receive Vet preference to dispute your claim.
My response to you was in reference to your comment that you made when you stated that perhaps even a monkey could do this job and you alluded to the job as being anyone can do this job and pick up a pen and paper and be a BI. I would agree with you that too many are hired that perhaps should not and it doesnât take a rocket scientist to do this job, however, it does take tremendous amount of mental fortitude to do this job for a long period of time or until retirement. The job is incredibly lonely, challenging, ever changing policy and procedure, ever changing landscapes with vendors and contracts, and having to overcome monotony.
So my original comment still standsâŚyour previous comments appeared to be disingenuous to those that hone their craft and are serious about this job.
Go back and read the comment again, I said ânot saying a monkey could do itâ. Now whoâs being sensitive?
Youâre initial claim was Vets get their Vet preference too easily and a certified BI should have preference in the hiring process I simply pointed out how easy it is to become a certified BI as a contractor.
I am not sure you understand how vet preference works. The veteran still has to be qualified for the job, answer all yes/far right (or all but one). This qualification can be from already being a BI or transferring/adjusting their military skills to the position. Just because someone uses vet preference does not guarantee them the job. It is a tie breaker or can be used to give them a bump of all things are equal.
What should upset you more is the good ole boy system. All those jobs on USA Jobs that are on there for a week or less, you have zero chance of getting. They already have their buddy (some undeserving E9/O6) that will walk right into the job after retirement.